(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]
PW[Mogo]PB[Zen]DT[2009-05-16]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Zen19CO [-\]: GTP Engine for Zen19CO (black): Zen version 3.0
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3599.527]C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (white): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]
;W[dd]WL[3593.857]
;B[pq]BL[3599.228]
;W[dp]WL[3593.555]
;B[fq]BL[3598.89]
;W[gq]WL[3574.785]
;B[gp]BL[3565.612]
;W[hq]WL[3555.83]
;B[fo]BL[3525.474]
;W[fr]WL[3535.399]
;B[eq]BL[3493.075]
;W[hp]WL[3514.353]
;B[ho]BL[3479.51]
;W[io]WL[3491.92]
;B[hn]BL[3466.401]
;W[in]WL[3469.225]C[juhop [1d\]: w pushes b into a good shape
]
;B[hm]BL[3452.792]C[juhop [1d\]: i think
]
;W[im]WL[3444.585]
;B[hk]BL[3419.791]
;W[dn]WL[3419.306]
;B[jd]BL[3371.106]
;W[hl]WL[3392.037]C[goIngo [-\]: so, garden complete, and I can watch go again
]
;B[gl]BL[3338.766]
;W[il]WL[3364.25]C[nodan [-\]: b tenuki was bad
gogonuts [4d\]: probably hard to make a bot play J8 instead of k16
xcut [1d\]: b tenuki ok
]
;B[dl]BL[3305.61]
;W[gk]WL[3335.241]C[gogonuts [4d\]: d8 looks good though
]
;B[fl]BL[3293.576]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b leading
]
;W[fj]WL[3305.405]C[xcut [1d\]: i also like black, but it's early
]
;B[fk]BL[3238.09]C[gogonuts [4d\]: nope
xcut [1d\]: ugh
gogonuts [4d\]: expensive
xcut [1d\]: atari disease :)
gogonuts [4d\]: big difference
]
;W[gj]WL[3274.391]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b not ahead anymore
]
;B[ej]BL[3225.535]C[xcut [1d\]: white d2 will be quite good because of black's shape
]
;W[ei]WL[3242.925]C[gogonuts [4d\]: d2 is thin
]
;B[di]BL[3193.134]C[xcut [1d\]: or d3, etc
gogonuts [4d\]: d3 is better
]
;W[dj]WL[3210.083]C[xcut [1d\]: still, black really wants to play r5
gogonuts [4d\]: n4 bigger than r5
]
;B[ek]BL[3161.779]
;W[eh]WL[3175.045]C[derPlumps [1d\]: G3, lol
]
;B[ci]BL[3138.615]C[gogonuts [4d\]: c11 proper
]
;W[qj]WL[3139.086]C[gogonuts [4d\]: r10 doesnt coordinate with the w wall
Meepy [-\]: what would?
derPlumps [1d\]: :)
xcut [1d\]: i'd play r5
gogonuts [4d\]: O3 or q5 - hqrd choice
]
;B[cf]BL[3090.506]C[xcut [1d\]: o3 looks narrow?
derPlumps [1d\]: toooo narrow
gogonuts [4d\]: O3 just a little narrow
xcut [1d\]: q5 sounds good
derPlumps [1d\]: black R6
]
;W[qo]WL[3101.119]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but imagine b n3 or n4
gogonuts [4d\]: now b n3 is good
derPlumps [1d\]: no
derPlumps [1d\]: play higher
gogonuts [4d\]: too thin by now
xcut [1d\]: seq r4 o3 safer
]
;B[op]BL[3059.276]C[derPlumps [1d\]: good
gogonuts [4d\]: n3 was the point
derPlumps [1d\]: i dont like n3
gogonuts [4d\]: now n3 is good for w
gogonuts [4d\]: you should learn to like it :-)
]
;W[ii]WL[3062.711]C[derPlumps [1d\]: someone hacked gogonut's account?
xcut [1d\]: j11 scaredycat move :(
gogonuts [4d\]: J11 way too cautious
]
;B[pn]BL[3028.044]C[derPlumps [1d\]: we know :)
xcut [1d\]: let's see a cut now!
derPlumps [1d\]: black is winning
derPlumps [1d\]: white's strategy failed completely
gogonuts [4d\]: hard to say
derPlumps [1d\]: not for me
]
;W[qn]WL[3023.704]C[derPlumps [1d\]: almost useless wall
]
;B[pm]BL[3014.67]C[xcut [1d\]: gotta wait, plumps, these are bots playing :)
derPlumps [1d\]: yes you are right, xcut, but still, this is a position no human would like to play on for wite
xcut [1d\]: true enough hehe
]
;W[qm]WL[2983.059]C[gogonuts [4d\]: unclear position with human players also
derPlumps [1d\]: omg
derPlumps [1d\]: no
]
;B[pl]BL[2983.621]C[xcut [1d\]: i agree it's a bit unclear. i also agree i wouldn't like to play white though hehe
]
;W[ql]WL[2941.812]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b probably cant take the lower left corner (quadrant) with one move
]
;B[cn]BL[2960.208]C[derPlumps [1d\]: well
derPlumps [1d\]: at least not with c6
xcut [1d\]: hehe
derPlumps [1d\]: worst move in this area
]
;W[cm]WL[2900.16]C[gogonuts [4d\]: or not :-)
]
;B[bn]BL[2947.991]C[derPlumps [1d\]: dreamer
gogonuts [4d\]: c7 sure looks like an overplay to me
xcut [1d\]: if black doesn't get some cash there, the game will start looking better for white
]
;W[dm]WL[2857.387]C[nodan [-\]: hoho
derPlumps [1d\]: you cant judge a move by a  bad opponent's response
xcut [1d\]: W has a lot of aji to exploit there
]
;B[bl]BL[2915.547]C[gogonuts [4d\]: pushing at d3 was probaly the common sense approach for b
]
;W[bm]WL[2813.239]C[xcut [1d\]: y
gogonuts [4d\]: but he might get more now
]
;B[am]BL[2903.436]C[xcut [1d\]: w should live here
]
;W[cl]WL[2767.51]C[derPlumps [1d\]: aji like hell
]
;B[ck]BL[2872.539]C[gogonuts [4d\]: quite a mess for b
xcut [1d\]: well, w is alive
]
;W[bk]WL[2719.827]
;B[al]BL[2860.786]C[goIngo [-\]: on whoch hardware is mogo in this game?
goIngo [-\]: which
derPlumps [1d\]: 16
derPlumps [1d\]:  gghideki: Now, MoGo is running on the sixteen cores server, not the cluster
goIngo [-\]: thx for info
derPlumps [1d\]: you were offline, i think
]
;W[ao]WL[2671.656]C[goIngo [-\]: yes, I was in garden - pflichtprogramm ;-)
derPlumps [1d\]: you did your garden work pretty fast? :)
goIngo [-\]: yes, my wife was very surprised
derPlumps [1d\]: hehe
]
;B[an]BL[2829.91]C[goIngo [-\]: "you never were so concentrated..."
gogonuts [4d\]: never worked that hard in the garden before
derPlumps [1d\]: not hard , fast
goIngo [-\]: it was rather easy: kill some groups ...
derPlumps [1d\]: groups of unkraut?
]
;W[co]WL[2623.669]C[goIngo [-\]: this year everything is growing so fast
goIngo [-\]: groups und kraut ;-)
]
;B[bj]BL[2817.579]C[derPlumps [1d\]: unkraut = "weed"? o.O
goIngo [-\]: but there is some aji left in the garden ...
gogonuts [4d\]: w could have done even better
derPlumps [1d\]: aji is bad smell
]
;W[bo]WL[2573.506]C[derPlumps [1d\]: how, better, gogo?
gogonuts [4d\]: aji against b is gone
goIngo [-\]: hmm
]
;B[ak]BL[2804.488]C[gogonuts [4d\]: well, w b10 was a strong threat - so maybe start with d3 and d2
derPlumps [1d\]: well, at the end of the game you dont count aji, you do count points
]
;W[er]WL[2521.833]C[gogonuts [4d\]: lol, that just works
]
;B[dq]BL[2773.453]C[derPlumps [1d\]: why not?
gogonuts [4d\]: but simple d3 was better i think
]
;W[cq]WL[2469.332]C[gogonuts [4d\]: ouch
]
;B[dr]BL[2761.18]C[derPlumps [1d\]: d2 c2 e1 g2 c1 b2 b1 b4 :(
derPlumps [1d\]: small corner
derPlumps [1d\]: perhaps better to sacrifice f2 alone?
gogonuts [4d\]: sure
gogonuts [4d\]: this was the worst way i think
derPlumps [1d\]: j4 aji a little better here
]
;W[cr]WL[2414.81]
;B[fc]BL[2749.389]C[derPlumps [1d\]: it would have been nice to exploit the f4 liberty shortages
derPlumps [1d\]: but there is nothing
gogonuts [4d\]: f17 is big
gogonuts [4d\]: but i think m3 was even more important
]
;W[fd]WL[2359.892]C[derPlumps [1d\]: m3 is a 3 space extension from two 10 stone walls
derPlumps [1d\]: how can THAT be important
derPlumps [1d\]: i'd say almost endgame
]
;B[gd]BL[2718.622]C[derPlumps [1d\]: i like q9 move
derPlumps [1d\]: but probably not the biggest
]
;W[gc]WL[2303.292]C[juhop [1d\]: m3 is quite big territorially  and about eyespace of p4
xcut [1d\]: i like me.. well, i like n3
derPlumps [1d\]: eyespace...
xcut [1d\]: m3*
derPlumps [1d\]: s3 enough eyes
juhop [1d\]: eyespace is for wimps you say? :)
derPlumps [1d\]: and also running on q9 is not bad
xcut [1d\]: for black?
]
;B[hc]BL[2670.298]C[xcut [1d\]: playing dame is not bad?
derPlumps [1d\]: shape point
derPlumps [1d\]: but rather early now
derPlumps [1d\]: i think q3 group has a lot of ways to go
derPlumps [1d\]: and make eyes
]
;W[gb]WL[2245.215]C[derPlumps [1d\]: no hurry to "attack" 
]
;B[hb]BL[2658.108]C[derPlumps [1d\]: strong group not attackable
gogonuts [4d\]: w n3 big though
derPlumps [1d\]: bla :P
gogonuts [4d\]: bog swing at the bottom whoever plays first
gogonuts [4d\]: big :-)
]
;W[fb]WL[2188.267]
;B[ec]BL[2645.763]C[derPlumps [1d\]: top area a LOT more important
derPlumps [1d\]: you want to play in an area where 30 stones are
derPlumps [1d\]: on top, there used to be 2 when you wanted to play n3
derPlumps [1d\]: how is this logical
]
;W[hd]WL[2131.418]C[gogonuts [4d\]: its points and strength, not logic
]
;B[ge]BL[2614.878]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but right now theyre quite busy somewhere else :-)
derPlumps [1d\]: not somewhere else
derPlumps [1d\]: the top
derPlumps [1d\]: it was most important
gogonuts [4d\]: it has become most urgent
xcut [1d\]: i agree with gogonuts
derPlumps [1d\]: f17 was definitely big
xcut [1d\]: n3/m3 is easy to underestimate, but w can make a lot of territory and attack there
]
;W[eb]WL[2074.674]
;B[ed]BL[2603.338]C[derPlumps [1d\]: n3-n4 you want to make third line territory where your wall is?
gogonuts [4d\]: e16 not good
derPlumps [1d\]: d17
derPlumps [1d\]: yes
derPlumps [1d\]: good chance
]
;W[dc]WL[2016.759]C[derPlumps [1d\]: good
gogonuts [4d\]: b should tenuki now
]
;B[ee]BL[2591.282]C[derPlumps [1d\]: corner alive?
derPlumps [1d\]: it seems
gogonuts [4d\]: even w b15 bigger then e15
]
;W[he]WL[1958.517]C[derPlumps [1d\]: not really
gogonuts [4d\]: lol, bots are born to fight
derPlumps [1d\]: k16 strength counts, too
]
;B[hf]BL[2560.884]C[derPlumps [1d\]: it makes o17 harder
derPlumps [1d\]: because white doesnt want to approach from r14
]
;W[gf]WL[1899.954]
;B[fe]BL[2549.598]
;W[ie]WL[1842.217]
;B[je]BL[2503.571]
;W[if]WL[1782.989]
;B[jf]BL[2491.303]
;W[ig]WL[1724.981]
;B[ic]BL[2446.816]C[nodan [-\]: hopeless
]
;W[qc]WL[1667.972]C[gogonuts [4d\]: q17, then double hane best
]
;B[pc]BL[2414.064]
;W[qd]WL[1613.327]
;B[qf]BL[2384.549]
;W[pe]WL[1560.421]C[gogonuts [4d\]: oops
]
;B[qe]BL[2355.373]C[gogonuts [4d\]: this is better for b than double hane :-)
]
;W[de]WL[1509.004]C[nodan [-\]: ignore
]
;B[eg]BL[2324.088]C[gogonuts [4d\]: tricky
]
;W[of]WL[1458.173]C[gogonuts [4d\]: lets see if b finds r18
]
;B[qb]BL[2292.076]C[gogonuts [4d\]: yup
MaLa [1d\]: chatanalyzer really good
juhop [1d\]: fortunately not q14 again :)
gogonuts [4d\]: almost instant :-)
gogonuts [4d\]: right :-)
]
;W[rb]WL[1409.823]C[gogonuts [4d\]: q14 would have changed things
yoyoma [1d\]: anyone have local copy of old mogo or a recentish fuego?
yoyoma [1d\]: to run and see what they think
]
;B[cb]BL[2262.921]C[gogonuts [4d\]: it takes a bots nerves to tenuki in the top right
]
;W[db]WL[1362.724]
;B[bd]BL[2233.472]C[gogonuts [4d\]: actually q18 best for both
]
;W[nd]WL[1316.945]C[gogonuts [4d\]: too greedy
]
;B[oe]BL[2196.815]C[gogonuts [4d\]: atari from this side isnt very helpful either
]
;W[pf]WL[1272.685]
;B[ne]BL[2185.955]C[goIngo [-\]: i have manyfaces running on my pc
derPlumps [1d\]: was R17 best?
]
;W[pb]WL[1230.243]C[goIngo [-\]: it thinks 56% for white
]
;B[nf]BL[2175.156]C[derPlumps [1d\]: i have score estimator here, it thinks w+19 :-)
derPlumps [1d\]: sorry
]
;W[od]WL[1188.823]
;B[oc]BL[2146.274]C[yoyoma [1d\]: Fuego says 0.64 for white
goIngo [-\]: many faces was at least winner of last olympiad
gogonuts [4d\]: p16 problematic
derPlumps [1d\]: score estimator would be loser of any tournament :)
]
;W[ph]WL[1148.94]C[gogonuts [4d\]: ask p18
yoyoma [1d\]: Fuego wanted to play wC17
]
;B[ob]BL[2111.353]C[RemiCoulom [4k?\]: what is the status of white top left ?
goIngo [-\]: p18 also preferrred by MF
gogonuts [4d\]: b15 looks safest there
]
;W[qa]WL[1110.915]C[yoyoma [1d\]: hm it's a little hard to say anything interestinga bout what Fuego thinks in the amount of time that they play  :)
yoyoma [1d\]: except that it likes white I guess
goIngo [-\]: the same with MF
]
;B[oh]BL[2060.179]C[goIngo [-\]: it also likes white
]
;W[ng]WL[1074.034]C[gogonuts [4d\]: say what you want about these bots, but they are noslouches
goIngo [-\]: noslouches, what is that
Cal [1d\]: no slouches
gogonuts [4d\]: no slouches, sry
]
;B[pi]BL[2015.851]C[goIngo [-\]: what is slouches?
gogonuts [4d\]: faulpelz
derPlumps [1d\]: :)
Cal [1d\]: keine weicheier ;-)
goIngo [-\]: hmm faulpelz != weichei
derPlumps [1d\]: slouch   chiefly  (Amer.)   - inept person	 	die Niete
]
;W[qh]WL[1037.599]C[derPlumps [1d\]: keine nieten?
goIngo [-\]: you mean, they play long games?!
]
;B[og]BL[1976.322]C[derPlumps [1d\]: urgs white shape
]
;W[pg]WL[1002.773]C[derPlumps [1d\]: lucky
]
;B[md]BL[1956.311]C[gogonuts [4d\]: n16 is needed
yoyoma [1d\]: I just noticed the time
]
;W[oi]WL[969.6]C[gogonuts [4d\]: it would be great for b if he could also get b17
]
;B[bb]BL[1945.994]C[yoyoma [1d\]: Zen didn't use nearly as much as mogo
gogonuts [4d\]: heres his chance :-)
gogonuts [4d\]: b18 might also work
]
;W[df]WL[937.11]C[derPlumps [1d\]: why shouldnt it kill?
goIngo [-\]: after b18 MF gives 62 % for White
gogonuts [4d\]: but surely unsafer
yoyoma [1d\]: Fuego wanted to tenuki
gogonuts [4d\]: i have a bad feeling about b18
]
;B[dg]BL[1918.816]
;W[ef]WL[906.661]
;B[ff]BL[1908.582]C[derPlumps [1d\]: oops
gogonuts [4d\]: very close fight
derPlumps [1d\]: whrere is blacks second eye
derPlumps [1d\]: white 7 libs
]
;W[fg]WL[876.369]
;B[gg]BL[1898.451]C[derPlumps [1d\]: now we see why white played j11
derPlumps [1d\]: looking 50 moves ahead
]
;W[fh]WL[846.636]
;B[gh]BL[1888.063]C[MaLa [1d\]: if B does not D13 he survives...
]
;W[hj]WL[818.054]C[derPlumps [1d\]: he wanted to kill!
derPlumps [1d\]: perhaps thinking he must
goIngo [-\]: it is fascinating how often MF agrees with Mogo
]
;B[dh]BL[1863.569]C[derPlumps [1d\]: 5 libs for black
]
;W[fi]WL[790.409]C[mmueller [-\]: most moves are forced here
]
;B[nh]BL[1853.343]C[mmueller [-\]: so they should agree
goIngo [-\]: seems so
derPlumps [1d\]: endgame coming
derPlumps [1d\]: m3 area coming
]
;W[hg]WL[763.488]C[derPlumps [1d\]: oh, white passes
juhop [1d\]: w seems confident
derPlumps [1d\]: thinking it's a forcing move?
]
;B[pj]BL[1815.119]C[MaLa [1d\]: no, it is a declaration of victory move
]
;W[qi]WL[737.441]C[derPlumps [1d\]: arrogant program ^_^
]
;B[rp]BL[1804.987]C[derPlumps [1d\]: oh interesting - black judges corner is bigger than L3 area
]
;W[pk]WL[711.673]C[gogonuts [4d\]: it is this a weakness of mc bots that they let the opponent catch up
derPlumps [1d\]: it is this?
yoyoma [1d\]: nah it's the weakness of humans to keep trying risky moves  :)
]
;B[lq]BL[1769.911]C[goIngo [-\]: MF gives white 67 % now
]
;W[mg]WL[687.267]C[juhop [1d\]: results among top 3 maybe exactly same as yesterday
goIngo [-\]: and that may also come in a tiebreak ...
]
;B[ni]BL[1742.902]C[derPlumps [1d\]: everyone won once today?
juhop [1d\]: not yet :)
goIngo [-\]: on thursday
gogonuts [4d\]: b this in the running in this one
]
;W[gf]WL[663.283]C[RemiCoulom [4k?\]: http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/tournament.php?id=193
RemiCoulom [4k?\]: (current standings)
]
;B[oj]BL[1716.444]C[gogonuts [4d\]: substitute "still" for "this" - must be getting senile
]
;W[fd]WL[640.124]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b getting back into it quickly
gogonuts [4d\]: good lord
goIngo [-\]: mf did not like the big killing of mogo
]
;B[kh]BL[1685.746]C[derPlumps [1d\]: no one does ^__^
yoyoma [1d\]: Fuego wanted to do wD1
]
;W[ds]WL[618.102]C[derPlumps [1d\]: f4 even better i think
gogonuts [4d\]: d1 not small
yoyoma [1d\]: but winning % didn't change hardly at all
gogonuts [4d\]: but b can answer at e5
goIngo [-\]: at MF it went down to 55 for white
yoyoma [1d\]: actually win% is up to 68% white now
]
;B[ro]BL[1642.495]C[derPlumps [1d\]: zen risking it
]
;W[kr]WL[596.285]C[yoyoma [1d\]: risking what?
derPlumps [1d\]: trying to risk anything
]
;B[lr]BL[1617.459]C[derPlumps [1d\]: ignoring moves
yoyoma [1d\]: ignoring D1?  :D
]
;W[ok]WL[574.754]C[derPlumps [1d\]: i know there is nothing to risk
]
;B[nk]BL[1593.631]C[derPlumps [1d\]: just play around, tenuki
yoyoma [1d\]: that's why I was confused you said black is risking it  :)
]
;W[ol]WL[554.733]C[derPlumps [1d\]: i know
]
;B[nl]BL[1584.551]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b can play e5 against f4
]
;W[fp]WL[535.569]C[derPlumps [1d\]: must
derPlumps [1d\]: but the price is high
]
;B[eo]BL[1559.747]C[gogonuts [4d\]: trade
gogonuts [4d\]: ok
derPlumps [1d\]: bad trade, of course
gogonuts [4d\]: why?
derPlumps [1d\]: g5
]
;W[go]WL[516.997]C[derPlumps [1d\]: this is why
teytaud [?\]: Play-offs between 3 bots will be terrible :-) I'd prefer one third of each medal for each bot :-)
]
;B[fn]BL[1550.502]C[derPlumps [1d\]: teytaud, you believe it could be the same as today again? :)
mmueller [-\]: we can cut them up :)
]
;W[do]WL[498.761]C[goIngo [-\]: i support this, olivier
guxxan [6d\]: how about 2 against one
]
;B[ep]BL[1538.396]
;W[kq]WL[481.143]C[derPlumps [1d\]: and ingo is dreihirnmaster
gogonuts [4d\]: w did gain  alittle there
goIngo [-\]: 3-hirn with these bots wopuld be nice
gogonuts [4d\]: b should have peeped before
guxxan [6d\]: Zen + Mogo vs Fuego
]
;B[kp]BL[1496.133]C[goIngo [-\]: no, guxxan
goIngo [-\]: instead human 1-dan + 2 of the bots
]
;W[lp]WL[464.237]
;B[ko]BL[1482.639]C[goIngo [-\]: as a team
]
;W[mo]WL[447.2]C[gogonuts [4d\]: very tough fight here
gogonuts [4d\]: oh
guxxan [6d\]: yeah, try human 1d with bot team
derPlumps [1d\]: what is white doing?
derPlumps [1d\]: terrible
goIngo [-\]: they might become 3-dan
gogonuts [4d\]: n5 looks fishy to me
]
;B[mn]BL[1454.452]C[goIngo [-\]: eval of black rising
]
;W[mq]WL[430.879]C[derPlumps [1d\]: sacrfice!
gogonuts [4d\]: no way
derPlumps [1d\]: n2 o3 n1 m1 
gogonuts [4d\]: hes gonna keep it
]
;B[mr]BL[1432.041]C[derPlumps [1d\]: i mean double hane
derPlumps [1d\]: misclicked
]
;W[no]WL[414.822]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w sacrifice also not good
derPlumps [1d\]: why play risky here
]
;B[om]BL[1408.803]
;W[qk]WL[400.097]C[goIngo [-\]: blakc now above 50 in MF opinion
gogonuts [4d\]: w could afford that?
]
;B[jq]BL[1393.149]C[yoyoma [1d\]: MF says black winning?  I turned off my Fuego and quit wtching mostly!
]
;W[jr]WL[386.099]C[goIngo [-\]: no 51 percent
gghideki [2k?\]: 6m for W
]
;B[oo]BL[1359.086]
;W[jp]WL[372.444]C[rsegal [?\]: 8x8 Fuego says W .65
]
;B[lo]BL[1336.834]C[gogonuts [4d\]: good result for b
]
;W[mp]WL[358.869]C[goIngo [-\]: my mf is on normal dualcore
]
;B[nq]BL[1310.326]
;W[nn]WL[345.768]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b won this fight
derPlumps [1d\]: is zen winning this game? :)
]
;B[lm]BL[1281.653]C[gogonuts [4d\]: dunno
]
;W[ls]WL[332.421]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but this fight went very well
goIngo [-\]: 54 % from mf for black
derPlumps [1d\]: SE says 0.5pt game^^
gogonuts [4d\]: r9 a pretty big blunder
]
;B[ns]BL[1261.935]C[gogonuts [4d\]: oh my god
]
;W[ll]WL[320.094]C[gogonuts [4d\]: what blasphemous shape
derPlumps [1d\]: what no?
gogonuts [4d\]: the shape of O1 :-)
goIngo [-\]: black 59 now, from mf
]
;B[lk]BL[1231.608]C[derPlumps [1d\]: we saw worse mistake in this game
gogonuts [4d\]: b unrelenting
juhop [1d\]: their time strategies are quite different
]
;W[kl]WL[307.653]
;B[ml]BL[1223.116]C[teytaud [?\]: perhaps mogo uses too much time at the beginning :-)
teytaud [?\]: we should have a look at that
wotan123 [2d\]: zen is relaxing
]
;W[kn]WL[295.782]C[gogonuts [4d\]: n8 was needed
derPlumps [1d\]: really?
]
;B[km]BL[1197.692]C[goIngo [-\]: mogo will run in time problems
gogonuts [4d\]: painful for w
]
;W[jg]WL[284.564]C[gogonuts [4d\]: oh, true
derPlumps [1d\]: what if not n8?
gogonuts [4d\]: but not so much left
TeeSushi [2d\]: b seems slightly ahead like 5 pts maybe
]
;B[kg]BL[1176.437]
;W[cc]WL[274.039]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w will atleast take apart the b territory above
goIngo [-\]: mf gives 60+ for black now
]
;B[bc]BL[1155.074]
;W[ki]WL[263.756]C[ibd [13k\]: does mogo use less time for moves when pondering?
teytaud [?\]: no
]
;B[li]BL[1128.01]C[derPlumps [1d\]: i understand why MC becomes lazy when ahead, but gving the opponent the chance to win by throwing a new 6-stone-group away is unlogical
]
;W[lj]WL[253.542]
;B[kj]BL[1102.51]C[juhop [1d\]: there must have been some change in mogo's evaluation?
]
;W[kk]WL[244.064]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: less time obviously
guxxan [6d\]: does Zen19 use MC also?
teytaud [?\]: MoGo estimates his winning probability at around 70% I've been told
]
;B[jj]BL[1082.145]C[derPlumps [1d\]: all bots do, guxxan
]
;W[mj]WL[235.172]C[guxxan [6d\]: ok. thx
TeeSushi [2d\]: mogo has only 4 minutes left so he has to play faster
derPlumps [1d\]: all good bots :)
guxxan [6d\]: Zen19 is kind of different than other bots
derPlumps [1d\]: yes the feeling is different, but the core is the same
wotan123 [2d\]: he is the strongest
teytaud [?\]: mogo is at 60% now
]
;B[nj]BL[1044.826]C[gogonuts [4d\]: n11
]
;W[jk]WL[226.024]C[goIngo [-\]: mf 60 for black
]
;B[mk]BL[1008.377]
;W[oa]WL[217.49]C[teytaud [?\]: 68%
]
;B[nb]BL[988.435]
;W[na]WL[209.144]C[ibd [13k\]: both seem not desperate
teytaud [?\]: it changes very quickly, as mogo has to think very quickly
goIngo [-\]: mf back to 56 for black
]
;B[ma]BL[956.875]
;W[pa]WL[201.834]C[ibd [13k\]: mf?
]
;B[mb]BL[935.831]
;W[ji]WL[194.137]C[ioio: lol it would actually be fun to see bots making desperate moves when losing
]
;B[mi]BL[923.324]C[goIngo [-\]: i am tired
]
;W[ha]WL[186.938]C[gogonuts [4d\]: oh
ibd [13k\]: ioio, they do?
goIngo [-\]: black at 55
]
;B[sn]BL[895.033]
;W[ja]WL[179.421]C[Cal [1d\]: wow
gogonuts [4d\]: zen just gave it awy
gogonuts [4d\]: too bad
]
;B[sl]BL[876.387]
;W[qp]WL[172.289]C[ibd [13k\]: interesting "monkey jump"
goIngo [-\]: still 55
]
;B[qq]BL[858.416]C[juhop [1d\]: that shape is sometimes correct
]
;W[kb]WL[165.89]C[juhop [1d\]: T6 i mean
]
;B[si]BL[840.532]C[gogonuts [4d\]: looks like a safe w win to me now
]
;W[rg]WL[158.994]
;B[kc]BL[822.811]
;W[gp]WL[152.205]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but t11 gobbled up a lot of points ...
gogonuts [4d\]: looks like L18 was too early
]
;B[jo]BL[801.519]
;W[gn]WL[145.847]C[goIngo [-\]: 61 for black
]
;B[gm]BL[784.266]
;W[em]WL[140.578]
;B[fm]BL[767.324]
;W[dk]WL[134.33]C[gogonuts [4d\]: according to se a certain w win
]
;B[cj]BL[750.354]
;W[jn]WL[129.169]C[derPlumps [1d\]: how did white get K19 lol
MaLa [1d\]: SE misscounts captures....
goIngo [-\]: i was told that se is nuts
]
;B[ln]BL[734.266]
;W[jm]WL[123.634]C[derPlumps [1d\]: ahh, SE counts japanese perhaps
gogonuts [4d\]: it s goes nuts?
]
;B[mm]BL[725.164]
;W[me]WL[118.402]C[yoyoma [1d\]: SE has bugs for area rules
MaLa [1d\]: no
MaLa [1d\]: SE counts captured stones as points
MaLa [1d\]: for the owner
]
;B[nc]BL[708.467]C[MaLa [1d\]: of those stones
]
;W[rq]WL[113.516]C[MaLa [1d\]: so White gets 6 points for N4
goIngo [-\]: 65 for black
derPlumps [1d\]: omg
MaLa [1d\]: which is completly nonsense
]
;B[sm]BL[681.49]
;W[rr]WL[108.574]C[derPlumps [1d\]: black messes up?
]
;B[qr]BL[665.752]
;W[rn]WL[104.507]C[goIngo [-\]: now down to 52
derPlumps [1d\]: aaaaah
]
;B[rs]BL[650.195]
;W[ce]WL[100.011]C[wotan123 [2d\]: oh
derPlumps [1d\]: r2 s1 t2 t3 are all +/- 0 points
derPlumps [1d\]: forgot about chinese
]
;B[be]BL[634.835]
;W[bf]WL[95.616]C[gogonuts [4d\]: a halfpointer possibly
TeeSushi [2d\]: forget about cheese :P
yoyoma [1d\]: what do the rules have to do with the strategy of S3??
]
;B[cg]BL[619.432]
;W[lj]WL[91.562]C[derPlumps [1d\]: not s3 but s2
]
;B[mj]BL[604.322]C[yoyoma [1d\]: ok S2 alos
]
;W[sr]WL[87.843]C[yoyoma [1d\]: the rules have zero impact on what strategy to use there
]
;B[sk]BL[588.82]C[derPlumps [1d\]: wrong
]
;W[lb]WL[84.511]C[MaLa [1d\]: wrong plumps :P because like this white can fill dame
MaLa [1d\]: while black has to play inside
TeeSushi [2d\]: yes
yoyoma [1d\]: perhaps you would like to visit my joke page on the subjecct
yoyoma [1d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Yoyoma%2FDevilsAdvocate
]
;B[lc]BL[565.097]
;W[rj]WL[81.225]C[derPlumps [1d\]: pffff, no
]
;B[sj]BL[550.743]
;W[so]WL[78.015]
;B[sp]BL[536.701]
;W[or]WL[74.579]C[yoyoma [1d\]: before you buy your go strategy books make sure they're for the correct ruleset lol!
]
;B[nr]BL[522.887]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
]
;W[sh]WL[71.222]
;B[ip]BL[508.759]
;W[jb]WL[68.149]
;B[so]BL[496.441]
;W[iq]WL[65.151]C[gogonuts [4d\]: s2 may have cost b the game
]
;B[jp]BL[482.724]
;W[ca]WL[62.777]
;B[ba]BL[469.382]
;W[id]WL[60.369]C[goIngo [-\]: black at 57
gogonuts [4d\]: semidori costs points under chines rules too, because you cant compete for the last dame
]
;B[jc]BL[456.432]
;W[el]WL[58.238]
;B[ms]BL[439.924]
;W[ks]WL[56.711]C[RemiCoulom [4k?\]: !
]
;B[ir]BL[427.21]C[goIngo [-\]: 73 for black
wotan123 [2d\]: ...
gogonuts [4d\]: good lord
goIngo [-\]: wow, what a fight
derPlumps [1d\]: hehe
goIngo [-\]: congrats to zen author!
RemiCoulom [4k?\]: congrats to zen !
derPlumps [1d\]: zen #1 ?
ZenAuthor [-\]: very thrilling game
RemiCoulom [4k?\]: slowest hardware of the tournament !
wotan123 [2d\]: zen is the best, i know it
juhop [1d\]: what a way to win ... :)
ZenAuthor [-\]: thank you all
mmueller [-\]: Congratulations ZenAuthor
gogonuts [4d\]: big congrats
juhop [1d\]: but congratulations! :)
wotan123 [2d\]: yo
derPlumps [1d\]: well done, yamato
goIngo [-\]: this was first public win of zen vs mogo
teytaud [?\]: congratulations to Zen and Yamato :-)
Hannoskaj [?\]: Congratulations, Zenauthor.
baranda [?\]: congratulations to both
teytaud [?\]: (and the other Zen-people possibly :-) )
baranda [?\]: excellent game
goIngo [-\]: congrats also to fuego team and to mogo team
goIngo [-\]: for silver and bronze
wotan123 [2d\]: mogo silver?
goIngo [-\]: fuego silver
wotan123 [2d\]: damn
evdw [-\]: Congratulations to Yamato; best performance and lowest cpu power!
goIngo [-\]: sudden death timing can be brutal
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