(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]
PW[Fuego]PB[Mogo]DT[2009-05-16]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[pd]BL[3599.379]C[gghideki [2k?\]: 3 minutes
Fuego9 [-\]: GTP Engine for Fuego9 (white): FuegoEx version 6.6.CVS
]
;W[dp]WL[3593.784]C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]
;B[pp]BL[3598.802]
;W[dd]WL[3593.363]
;B[pj]BL[3582.644]
;W[nq]WL[3593.083]
;B[lq]BL[3564.768]
;W[qq]WL[3592.758]
;B[pq]BL[3543.859]
;W[no]WL[3557.729]
;B[qp]BL[3527.282]
;W[lo]WL[3519.759]
;B[jq]BL[3510.015]
;W[jo]WL[3488.694]
;B[hq]BL[3491.804]
;W[ho]WL[3462.601]
;B[fq]BL[3473.05]
;W[kc]WL[3411.58]
;B[nm]BL[3453.007]
;W[ll]WL[3363.484]
;B[ic]BL[3432.137]
;W[ke]WL[3323.941]
;B[fc]BL[3410.511]C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]
;W[ch]WL[3279.719]
;B[if]BL[3387.832]
;W[kg]WL[3246.843]
;B[gf]BL[3364.34]
;W[qh]WL[3211.048]C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]
;B[qm]BL[3321.369]
;W[qf]WL[3163.422]
;B[mc]BL[3295.436]
;W[jh]WL[3117.135]C[gghideki [2k?\]: gghideki: MoGo is now using 640 cores!
]
;B[qe]BL[3268.884]
;W[hh]WL[3075.483]
;B[pf]BL[3240.977]C[gghideki [2k?\]: Please check the chat for the room
]
;W[pg]WL[3031.568]C[goIngo [-\]: how many cores did mogo use in the rounds before?
]
;B[rf]BL[3212.13]
;W[qg]WL[3021.594]C[mmueller [-\]: 16 on Thursday
goIngo [-\]: thx, martin
goIngo [-\]: is fueog going with 8x8 again today?
]
;B[og]BL[3182.707]C[goIngo [-\]: fuego
mmueller [-\]: yes
]
;W[of]WL[2996.248]C[goIngo [-\]: tenauthor, how many cores is using your baby today?
goIngo [-\]: zenauthor
]
;B[pe]BL[3151.962]
;W[oh]WL[2991.611]C[derPlumps [1d\]: just for fun game?
mmueller [-\]: serious game :)
ZenAuthor [-\]: same, just 4 cores
goIngo [-\]: second last round of olympiad
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
goIngo [-\]: did you ever try upgrading?
derPlumps [1d\]: why is mogo restarting all the time?
ZenAuthor [-\]: no i didn't
]
;B[ng]BL[3094.019]
;W[nh]WL[2986.625]C[arpad [?\]: sorry, mogo on huygejs is not very stable
arpad [?\]: now it's only 20*16 cores
goIngo [-\]: do you have experience how much performance you would loose with 1 core instead of 4?
arpad [?\]: i hope it will be better
]
;B[mg]BL[3057.511]C[mmueller [-\]: only :)
arpad [?\]: mmh yeah ^^^
]
;W[mh]WL[2962.504]C[ZenAuthor [-\]: no, i don't have any data about that
guxxan [6d\]: martin, find a 1000 core computer
goIngo [-\]: for arpad: 
goIngo [-\]: against zen (last round) you should not need many more cores
gogonuts [4d\]: 1000 * 1000 ?
mmueller [-\]: I have one in my pocket
]
;B[me]BL[3025.011]C[goIngo [-\]: mogo is opponent of fear for zen
gghideki [2k?\]: In general, double the cores gets 100 more Elo.
arpad [?\]: i think we will use the same hardware
goIngo [-\]: but only in a certain range
rsegal [?\]: Talk about David and Goliath
]
;W[ck]WL[2918.349]C[gogonuts [4d\]: mean david with his slingshot
derPlumps [1d\]: 100 more more GoRating-point, too?
sixsix [-\]: didn't david kill goliath with a stone?
sixsix [-\]: ho ho ho
goIngo [-\]: when there will be three-way-tie after last round
goIngo [-\]: how is tiebreak planned?
]
;B[fo]BL[2992.103]C[goIngo [-\]: @sixsix: but not a go-stone ;-)
sixsix [-\]: :)
derPlumps [1d\]: i agree with goingo, that's what i heard
]
;W[on]WL[2887.343]C[derPlumps [1d\]: i think 1/3 stone or so?
derPlumps [1d\]: less?
goIngo [-\]: no, with david it was the following
]
;B[do]BL[2957.788]C[goIngo [-\]: they had sort of handi-cap
goIngo [-\]: Goliath had a cap on, and david some stones in his HAND
]
;W[co]WL[2845.93]
;B[cp]BL[2922.61]
;W[cq]WL[2836.703]C[gogonuts [4d\]: giving david even one stone was a mistake
goIngo [-\]: question on this position: at move 18 White did not prolong the southern wall with f5 but played L17 instead. Was that good or bad?
]
;B[bp]BL[2886.708]C[gogonuts [4d\]: hsv zu dumm für die suppe
]
;W[pm]WL[2807.909]C[gogonuts [4d\]: grade gegen köln verloren
derPlumps [1d\]: HSV??
derPlumps [1d\]: who cares :P
goIngo [-\]: for all internationals: that is local german soccer
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]
;B[ql]BL[2842.539]C[gogonuts [4d\]: L17 reasonable in itself
]
;W[qn]WL[2803.046]C[goIngo [-\]: "in itself" is sort of cryptic
derPlumps [1d\]: i remember a game of gogonots where he also didnt brek through such a wall :)
goIngo [-\]: Did it fit into the plan with the wall on rank 5?
derPlumps [1d\]: it's perhaps only depending on style
gogonuts [4d\]: position not good before 18 :-)
]
;B[rn]BL[2798.954]C[derPlumps [1d\]: i prefer f5
]
;W[ec]WL[2762.819]C[gogonuts [4d\]: the problem with f5 was that b was allready safe with his stones below
gogonuts [4d\]: L17 more flexible
]
;B[dq]BL[2760.518]C[gogonuts [4d\]: lower left corner was very important, but tenuki still greedy
]
;W[ep]WL[2740.902]
;B[eo]BL[2721.176]C[gogonuts [4d\]: if b consolidates this corner in sente and plays f16 or f18 after that w is done
derPlumps [1d\]: white's plan ruined
goIngo [-\]: but now Black has a "Brueckenkopf" at d5-e5-f5
]
;W[fd]WL[2713.721]C[derPlumps [1d\]: brückenkopf?
gogonuts [4d\]: f18 was the tougher attack i think
goIngo [-\]: german term - translated to bridgehead
derPlumps [1d\]: goIngo knows go terms that i dont know :)
]
;B[gc]BL[2680.737]C[goIngo [-\]: I do not know many, so I have to invent new ones ;-)
gogonuts [4d\]: b looks untroubled
goIngo [-\]: seems so
gogonuts [4d\]: f16 too friendly
]
;W[gd]WL[2678.78]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b better not miss h16
derPlumps [1d\]: but you are right goIngo, that was very bd for white
]
;B[hd]BL[2639.577]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w h15 futile now
]
;W[eb]WL[2639.61]C[derPlumps [1d\]: futile?
gogonuts [4d\]: L18 safe
]
;B[kb]BL[2597.536]C[derPlumps [1d\]: better is running out
]
;W[eq]WL[2614.496]C[gogonuts [4d\]: ws best move at the top is k16 now
gogonuts [4d\]: i think :-)
derPlumps [1d\]: yes :(
]
;B[er]BL[2554.238]
;W[ro]WL[2595.507]C[derPlumps [1d\]: L18 chicken move
]
;B[qo]BL[2510.425]C[gogonuts [4d\]: that makes me a chicken :-)
]
;W[pn]WL[2589.018]C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
gogonuts [4d\]: and against w k16 b can still decide to play J16
derPlumps [1d\]: not so good to restart itself so often, you loose all pondering data
]
;B[rp]BL[2435.377]
;W[rm]WL[2586.162]C[derPlumps [1d\]: impossible gogo
derPlumps [1d\]: or at least... white can cut
goIngo [-\]: but the cores get fresh look at position ;-)
gogonuts [4d\]: that would be the price
]
;B[so]BL[2388.578]C[derPlumps [1d\]: making black to create 2 eyes locally
]
;W[qk]WL[2580.901]C[gogonuts [4d\]: s4 was a difficult choice
derPlumps [1d\]: oh nooo what did black do ont he right :-((
derPlumps [1d\]: there was no danger in playing s7 for black
]
;B[pl]BL[2343.368]C[derPlumps [1d\]: oops. q8 ?
]
;W[rl]WL[2560.032]C[gogonuts [4d\]: this looks extremely dangerous for b
gogonuts [4d\]: thats an understatement actually
]
;B[rk]BL[2298.062]C[derPlumps [1d\]: q9 r10 r11 s11 q11 s13 q12 ?
derPlumps [1d\]: s9?
gogonuts [4d\]: good for zen if mogo messes up here
gogonuts [4d\]: insurance against a loss
]
;W[rj]WL[2534.752]C[goIngo [-\]: zen for white would start to slaughter here
derPlumps [1d\]: fuego is taking how many cores now?
gogonuts [4d\]: those stones are allready hopeless
goIngo [-\]: 8x8
derPlumps [1d\]: factor 10 so?
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
gogonuts [4d\]: the lead changed with this sequence
derPlumps [1d\]: who lead before the sequence of the boottom left, in your opinion?
gogonuts [4d\]: bottom left or bottom right?
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
derPlumps [1d\]: as you said, the BR right sequence changed in white's favor
derPlumps [1d\]: the BL
gogonuts [4d\]: bottom left not done
gogonuts [4d\]: i think w can live with d2
derPlumps [1d\]: but "brückenkopf" is already set up ;-P
]
;B[qj]BL[2177.97]C[derPlumps [1d\]: living there is a tropfen on the heißen stein
derPlumps [1d\]: sorry
derPlumps [1d\]: white messed up on the bL corner, if he lives or not
gogonuts [4d\]: "a drop in a bucket"
]
;W[sk]WL[2466.945]C[derPlumps [1d\]: ok
]
;B[pk]BL[2132.532]C[derPlumps [1d\]: it's so funny that all these "kyu overplays" work in programs' games ( cutting like s5)
]
;W[ri]WL[2446.61]C[gogonuts [4d\]: faking left, running right still works pretty well against bots
]
;B[lg]BL[2087.187]C[goIngo [-\]: is this one of your three rules ;-) ?
]
;W[lh]WL[2427.022]C[gogonuts [4d\]: sometime i fake right and run left :-)
goIngo [-\]: I see, so your are flexible ;-)
goIngo [-\]: let me generalize: or you fake top and rum bottom ?!
]
;B[hm]BL[2042.038]C[goIngo [-\]: run
gogonuts [4d\]: alos possible
gogonuts [4d\]: also
]
;W[lb]WL[2399.086]C[gogonuts [4d\]: h7 is creative
derPlumps [1d\]: can you define that for diagonal runs too?
goIngo [-\]: perhaps it would be possible to implement such rules in bot play - so that they try it against other bots
gogonuts [4d\]: m18 too early
]
;B[kd]BL[1996.544]C[gogonuts [4d\]: and L16 also bad
]
;W[gn]WL[2364.837]C[gogonuts [4d\]: with a ponuki w can play h15 again
derPlumps [1d\]: you just dont undetrstand the whole-board-tactics, gogo ;-D
derPlumps [1d\]: that was preparing g6 kosumi
mmueller [-\]: Rich, what is fuego's score now?
]
;B[gm]BL[1951.424]C[rsegal [?\]: .62 G6 M16 G7 F4 C7 
gogonuts [4d\]: protecting territory at the top made bs position even wors
goIngo [-\]: how many percent does mogo claim right now?
]
;W[fm]WL[2337.746]C[mmueller [-\]: supercomputer does not talk :)
arpad [?\]: we don't have the information when playing on huygens
derPlumps [1d\]: 0.38 ;-P
goIngo [-\]: very likely not 38, plumps
derPlumps [1d\]: thats why i wrote ";-P"
]
;B[fl]BL[1905.819]C[goIngo [-\]: I see.
]
;W[el]WL[2320.161]C[goIngo [-\]: arpad, but can you read it out after the game?
goIngo [-\]: from  the protocols?
gogonuts [4d\]: as a rule you can probably say that the win-estimates add up to more than 1.0
]
;B[em]BL[1860.799]C[gogonuts [4d\]: unless clones are playing
]
;W[fn]WL[2304.233]C[goIngo [-\]: but even with clones you shopuld get 1 + epsilon
derPlumps [1d\]: clones will sum up to 1.0000 ?
arpad [?\]: no, we removed the printings becaus with 20 computers it slows down the process
goIngo [-\]: in typical positions
]
;B[hn]BL[1815.57]C[derPlumps [1d\]: i think this overplay shows that white could judge he is behind :)
rsegal [?\]: Print from node 0, it is a good approx. to the whole.
derPlumps [1d\]: black
derPlumps [1d\]: sorry
goIngo [-\]: but taking one percentage at th emoment when you move should not be expensive
gogonuts [4d\]: b succeded in making the position tactically voletile
]
;W[go]WL[2277.793]
;B[ek]BL[1770.182]C[derPlumps [1d\]: e3 exchange perhaps not so good now
]
;W[dl]WL[2259.9]
;B[nn]BL[1726.043]
;W[oo]WL[2243.714]C[gogonuts [4d\]: nice messing around in a bad position
gogonuts [4d\]: this isnt just the "lets play a kothreat" variety
]
;B[io]BL[1683.018]C[gogonuts [4d\]: this is "lets make a mess of everything"
gogonuts [4d\]: pretty strong
]
;W[fk]WL[2215.077]
;B[gl]BL[1641.002]
;W[ld]WL[2184.888]C[gogonuts [4d\]: k16 best i think
]
;B[jn]BL[1600.282]C[gogonuts [4d\]: or tenuki :-)
]
;W[ip]WL[2167.698]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but k6 looks a little funny
]
;B[in]BL[1560.549]C[gogonuts [4d\]: had to chose between J4 and J6 imo
]
;W[ln]WL[2132.942]C[gogonuts [4d\]: if b starts with J6 and w J4, b wouldnt play k6 next
]
;B[lc]BL[1521.618]
;W[jp]WL[2114.328]C[derPlumps [1d\]: wow!!
gogonuts [4d\]: b had to play there himself
]
;B[fj]BL[1483.559]C[derPlumps [1d\]: true that
gogonuts [4d\]: b in trouble everywhere now
]
;W[gk]WL[2087.928]C[mstarsup5 [-\]: a mogo ladder :)
]
;B[hj]BL[1446.752]
;W[hk]WL[2081.514]C[derPlumps [1d\]: squeeze
gogonuts [4d\]: best chance
derPlumps [1d\]: perhaps sacrify 3 stones?
gogonuts [4d\]: w should have asked at k16 befor
]
;B[dk]BL[1410.939]C[derPlumps [1d\]: probably sente :)
]
;W[gj]WL[2063.193]C[derPlumps [1d\]: H4 ?!
gogonuts [4d\]: c8 now
]
;B[cl]BL[1375.747]
;W[dm]WL[2047.051]C[derPlumps [1d\]: a aldder?
gogonuts [4d\]: against c7 w will play d6
]
;B[en]BL[1341.392]
;W[dj]WL[2030.315]
;B[ej]BL[1307.828]C[gogonuts [4d\]: useless
]
;W[ei]WL[2014.501]C[gogonuts [4d\]: e10 means that mogo is very close to resignation
]
;B[hp]BL[1274.838]
;W[iq]WL[2007.689]C[derPlumps [1d\]: hmm
goIngo [-\]: what are fuego's percents?
]
;B[ir]BL[1242.666]C[rsegal [?\]: 0.69
]
;W[pr]WL[1986.454]C[goIngo [-\]: thx
gogonuts [4d\]: q2 not helpful
]
;B[or]BL[1211.872]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w should do some housecleaning at k16
]
;W[oq]WL[1969.966]C[derPlumps [1d\]: go bots can do that, today? :) i buy one
]
;B[qr]BL[1181.882]
;W[jd]WL[1957.975]C[gogonuts [4d\]: they can - see
]
;B[jb]BL[1152.719]C[gogonuts [4d\]: and h15
]
;W[md]WL[1942.95]C[gogonuts [4d\]: also annoying
]
;B[fi]BL[1124.207]
;W[fh]WL[1928.009]C[gogonuts [4d\]: resign in 2 moves?
derPlumps [1d\]: hehe
derPlumps [1d\]: when it sees the ladder isnt workin
]
;B[ik]BL[1096.129]
;W[gi]WL[1924.541]C[derPlumps [1d\]: lol
gogonuts [4d\]: nice try :-)
]
;B[ml]BL[1069.11]
;W[lk]WL[1905.659]
;B[lm]BL[1042.386]
;W[km]WL[1901.282]C[Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]
;B[mm]BL[1010.705]C[goIngo [-\]: perhaps mogo team should return to smaller hardware for ame aganst zen
]
;W[kn]WL[1886.712]C[goIngo [-\]: game against
derPlumps [1d\]: hm?
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
Mogo [-\]: GTP Engine for Mogo (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
goIngo [-\]: too many restars are not helpful
goIngo [-\]: restarts
derPlumps [1d\]: mogo going to escape
arpad [?\]: mogo used to be unstable but not this much
]
;B[kl]BL[983.989]C[arpad [?\]: we're going to switch to the 16 cores for the next game i think
]
;W[jl]WL[1872.211]C[Meepy [-\]: restart or just connection losses?
derPlumps [1d\]: i become unstable in such situations, too
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe its more unstable when the position is bad :-)
goIngo [-\]: strange, may it depend on the weather in Amsterdam?
]
;B[kk]BL[959.319]
;W[jk]WL[1868.571]C[arpad [?\]: at least it would depend on something
gogonuts [4d\]: or maybe high sunspot activity today
]
;B[kj]BL[935.416]
;W[lj]WL[1864.895]C[goIngo [-\]: no, seriously: weather may affect stability of big clusters
]
;B[li]BL[912.08]
;W[ki]WL[1850.124]
;B[jj]BL[889.272]C[derPlumps [1d\]: 1 lib
arpad [?\]: i am afraid that it is more likely that the probleme comes from mogo
]
;W[il]WL[1837.571]C[derPlumps [1d\]: ingo, you mean because of the cooling systems?
]
;B[mj]BL[867.079]
;W[mi]WL[1823.572]C[goIngo [-\]: not necessarily; i thought more of humidity
]
;B[mk]BL[845.618]
;W[li]WL[1820.649]C[goIngo [-\]: and stability of power suppy
chiaping [?\]: GG
goIngo [-\]: supply
derPlumps [1d\]: black could try s9 :-D
]
;B[kp]BL[824.613]C[gogonuts [4d\]: is that part of the weather in amsterdam?
]
;W[nc]WL[1806.225]C[goIngo [-\]: ??? Huygens cluster is in Amsterdam
arpad [?\]: yes
])
