(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[9]KM[7.50]TM[1800]
PW[Fuego]PB[MoGo]DT[2009-05-13]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Fuego9 [-\]: GTP Engine for Fuego9 (white): Fuego version 0.3.SVN
mmueller [-\]: GTP Engine for mmueller (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare cases)
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[ee]BL[1799.583]
;W[dg]WL[1799.803]
;B[cf]BL[1799.315]
;W[ff]WL[1799.548]C[IvanPerez2 [?\]: good luck to both
mmueller1: Mogo is Black in game 1
xiefan [?\]: good lucks to both
Lew [2d\]: good luck
]
;B[fe]BL[1608.436]
;W[gf]WL[1798.568]C[chiaping [?\]: who would be the champion
chiaping [?\]: unable to make out
mmueller1: 2 playoff games
mmueller1: if tied, 2 more
mmueller1: if still tied, one more with coin flip for color
]
;B[ge]BL[1430.615]
;W[cc]WL[1794.687]
;B[cd]BL[1278.711]
;W[dd]WL[1714.644]
;B[de]BL[1139.567]
;W[bd]WL[1655.455]C[rsegal [?\]: Fuego: 0.50 b6 c5 e7 b8
Lew [2d\]: can we get estimates of mogo as well?
arpad [?\]: 52 for mogo
arpad [?\]: going down
goIngo [-\]: thx to rsegal for the values
goIngo [-\]: also to arpad
]
;B[ce]BL[1019.719]C[rsegal [?\]: I am sending most to mmueller anyway :-)
goIngo [-\]: can we know what hardware is used in these playoffs?
]
;W[ec]WL[1542.845]C[Lew [2d\]: can you post estimates here?
rsegal [?\]: 0.5 e7 b8 g7 d8
Meepy [-\]: what good does b8 do?
arpad [?\]: 51 D8 D7 E8
rsegal [?\]: Hardware.  Cluster of 8 machines, each with Dual quad-core Xeons, 16GB memory.  64 core total.
Lew [2d\]: only fuego knows :)
arpad [?\]: and for the hardware: 16 cores of 3GHz
goIngo [-\]: thx richard, arpad
]
;B[db]BL[896.792]C[Meepy [-\]: those are some nice machines :)
]
;W[dc]WL[1494.53]C[Lew [2d\]: fuego seems to not ues too much time
rsegal [?\]: .51 d7 b8 c8 f8
arpad [?\]: .51 E8 F7
Lew [2d\]: 51% for black?
rsegal [?\]: Fuego is using lots of time, the time Mogo is using.  When in is quick, it has decided during pondering.
]
;B[eb]BL[801.304]C[rsegal [?\]: All more scores are for white.
arpad [?\]: my score is for mogo
Meepy [-\]: so they both think they're winning by 1%?
]
;W[gc]WL[1441.109]C[arpad [?\]: yep
Lew [2d\]: and now?
goIngo [-\]: no, 51 for each side
rsegal [?\]: and they are both right
goIngo [-\]: is perfectly ok
rsegal [?\]: .52 g7 f8 f7 b8 c8
goIngo [-\]: because the side which is to move just has a slight edge
ibd [13k\]: f7?
arpad [?\]: .52 H5 F8
goIngo [-\]: now, when they drift away from .50
goIngo [-\]: some tactically crucial position seems to come nearer
]
;B[he]BL[710.838]C[goIngo [-\]: better "soar away from 0.50"
Lew [2d\]: F2 is dangerous now
]
;W[cg]WL[1393.221]C[rsegal [?\]: .55 c3 f8 f7 b8 c8
arpad [?\]: .50 F2 B3
ibd [13k\]: fuego still looks at making top alive it seems
]
;B[bb]BL[630.263]C[Lew [2d\]: fuego have to live on both sides
Lew [2d\]: PV?
ibd [13k\]: yes
ibd [13k\]: lukasz, it's you?
Lew [2d\]: yes
]
;W[fb]WL[1347.229]C[ibd [13k\]: hi :)
rsegal [?\]: .59 f8 b7 c8 f2 e2
ibd [13k\]: sorry if I spell your name wrongly
arpad [?\]: .48 B7 C8
]
;B[bc]BL[558.831]C[goIngo [-\]: Black seems to need some "deus ex machina" now
Lew [2d\]: looks like the game is over
]
;W[cb]WL[1321.828]C[ibd [13k\]: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=1417
rsegal [?\]: .60 c8 e2 e3 f2
]
;B[eh]BL[495.798]C[arpad [?\]: .47
]
;W[eg]WL[1291.607]C[goIngo [-\]: nice, ibd
rsegal [?\]: .63 e3 f2 g2 h2
Lew [2d\]: G2?
]
;B[gh]BL[440.008]C[arpad [?\]: .46
arpad [?\]: slowly going down
]
;W[fh]WL[1251.804]C[rsegal [?\]: .65 f2 f1 d2 f3 g3
Meepy [-\]: whoa, it wants a ko?
arpad [?\]: .47 F1 F3 going up again :)
]
;B[fi]BL[390.149]
;W[dh]WL[1243.061]C[arpad [?\]: .50 F3 B3
rsegal [?\]: .66 d2 f3 g3 f2
]
;B[fg]BL[345.123]
;W[gg]WL[1238.387]C[Lew [2d\]: difference in opinions :)
ibd [13k\]: so it adds up to 116 already :)
arpad [?\]: .48 H8 H7 ...
mmueller1: w stupid :(
goIngo [-\]: plurality in opinions isalways good
]
;B[hb]BL[304.55]C[Lew [2d\]: yep
ibd [13k\]: b needs h3?
]
;W[hc]WL[1195.712]C[Lew [2d\]: why W stupid?
arpad [?\]: .45 G8 J8
rsegal [?\]: .70 h7 h2 b2 b4 f2 j5
mmueller1: bad programming I guess :(
Lew [2d\]: :D
]
;B[gb]BL[270.151]C[Lew [2d\]: do you think G3 was bad?
goIngo [-\]: which move decision did you mean, Martin?
mmueller1: it has this tendency to start crazy ko when it would have a safe win without ko
Lew [2d\]: maybe it calculated it is not crazy :)
]
;W[ca]WL[1141.963]
;B[ic]BL[238.561]C[lobo [-\]: from what i see computer go is far far away from beating human players
Lew [2d\]: B is using all go threats
]
;W[id]WL[1103.575]C[Meepy [-\]: maybe he wants j5
rsegal [?\]: .74 j6 f7 f6 f9 f7
]
;B[ib]BL[212.145]
;W[hd]WL[1072.21]C[mandelbrot [2k\]: computers already have beaten top amateurs on 9x9, so you couldn't be further from the truth
arpad [?\]: .41 H3 B2
Meepy [-\]: white'll still have 4 outside liberties
ibd [13k\]: also beaten pro without handi
]
;B[hg]BL[188.209]C[mandelbrot [2k\]: and I guess pros also lost some games
]
;W[bh]WL[1035.588]C[Lew [2d\]: beaten in one game but not in a series 
Lew [2d\]: humans learn fast :)
ibd [13k\]: true
arpad [?\]: .38 B4
rsegal [?\]: .80 b2 c1 d1 f7
mandelbrot [2k\]: there was more than one
]
;B[bf]BL[167.17]C[goIngo [-\]: for human players their style is looking strange
]
;W[hf]WL[1004.322]C[rsegal [?\]: .81 h4 e4 f2 f7 f6 f3
goIngo [-\]: but strange does not need "bad"
]
;B[ie]BL[148.277]C[goIngo [-\]: need to mean
]
;W[hh]WL[979.078]C[arpad [?\]: .38 F7
]
;B[fc]BL[131.739]C[lobo [-\]: one time a go program won with human on 9 it was mogo, here mogo seems to be obliterated by some program plaing moves like c9 when b9 would be sente
lobo [-\]: so what kind of mogo was it?
]
;W[fd]WL[948.961]C[mandelbrot [2k\]: mogo also won on 6
ibd [13k\]: wasn't that many faces?
Lew [2d\]: just play with it when it is online
]
;B[fa]BL[116.85]C[mandelbrot [2k\]: and there is stronger software than mogo
lobo [-\]: i do play
]
;W[fc]WL[919.754]C[lobo [-\]: and if i really pay attention no bot can even come close
]
;B[fh]BL[105.277]C[rsegal [?\]: .85 f7 f2 j3 e4
mandelbrot [2k\]: on 9x9?
arpad [?\]: .31
mandelbrot [2k\]: no way
lobo [-\]: yes
]
;W[ig]WL[908.441]
;B[ef]BL[93.893]
;W[ea]WL[905.655]C[lobo [-\]: brilliant
]
;B[if]BL[83.345]C[goIngo [-\]: come on, lobo
]
;W[ci]WL[903.356]C[goIngo [-\]: you are kidding
]
;B[ah]BL[74.497]
;W[ag]WL[901.033]C[goIngo [-\]: nice game
Lew [2d\]: nice indeed
xiefan [?\]: nice game
Lew [2d\]: let's see the other one :)
lobo [-\]: come on, how do you expect a decent single digit kyu to lose to something that plays e9 when j4 is available
goIngo [-\]: hic kgs, hic salta ;-)
Lew [2d\]: W won so E9 was not a mistake :)
mandelbrot [2k\]: it won, didn't it?
mandelbrot [2k\]: just because you can't understand its moves does not mean it's weak
Lew [2d\]: programs do not maximize score but probability of win
lobo [-\]: maybe if they pair it with gazillion cores it can stand a chance
lobo [-\]: i get it
mandelbrot [2k\]: this is trolling lobo
goIngo [-\]: round 2 started
Lew [2d\]: go go go :)
mandelbrot [2k\]: as I said, they can beat pros in even games on 9x9
mandelbrot [2k\]: are you as strong as pros?
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